Voters in 11 States Reject Gay Marriage

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Some serious resistance to come I’m sure

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65 Responses to Voters in 11 States Reject Gay Marriage

  1. Frank says:

    “Is this thread dead yet?? ;-)”

    Well, it was until about 1:51 PM on November 22.

  2. Jon Wright says:

    Is it dead now???

  3. Brad Roehrenbeck says:

    man, all the good constitutional debates seemed to have happened around here before I started coming around…

  4. Ben says:

    This is how its supposed to be… let the states decide.

  5. Ben says:

    Why… it says it in the constitution itself…..

    Anything not described in the constitution is left to the discretion of the states.

  6. Ben says:

    If this is what *ALL* the states want… sure go ahead and knock yourself out with a national amendment. Otherwise, who are you in NC (or wherever) to dictate the lives of somebody on the other coast? How does it hurt you or infringe upon your rights? Let each region/state decide.

    Not that I am comparing the two issues (as one is a vice, another is determined by nature), but how come there are no calls to have a constitutional amendment banning gambling and lotterys?? or smoking? or drinking (again)? The social cost of these issues are much, much higher.

    It just seems to me to be an awfully big waste of energy when there are so many more important issues on the table. Election reform anyone? How about alternative energy sources? Or maybe the old standby of peace?

  7. Ben says:

    “I know the healthy family has been falling apart for quite a while now, but I don’t think that’s reason for me to sit idly by and let more happen.”

    And the solution to this is to split up more families? The demise of the American family has its roots in the work-a-holic, all-consuming, conformity-inducing society we have today. The very traits that make the US an economic powerhouse are what is hurting the family. Its all a question of priorities. If two people decide they want to turn their back on these things and raise a strong family instead, you would tell them “they can’t”???

  8. Ben says:

    Ah, so we should ban single parents as well then.

    I’m just saying 2 in a loving relationship is better than 1 struggling to make ends meet. Those are your two choices. A gay parent is not going to become heterosexual just b/c you tell them they cant marry.

    I’ll conceed to you that a man/woman couple is the optimal for raising a child. But that is not always possible.

  9. Ben says:

    Similarly, I think it is a poor argument to say “We should only allow the optimal”, when the optimal can in fact be worse in particular situations.

    The whole point is that you shouldnt be able to say “We have deemed X to be good, therefore everything else is bad and should be prevented”. Sometimes X isnt always the right choice.

  10. Ben says:

    Similarly, if you look back through history, you will always find examples of gay people in long standing relationships. You have to dig for them a bit since history is written by the victors, but even in the oldest book ever written, the Illiad, one of the main characters is gay (Achilles).
    Its not really changing the building blocks of what is natural, but what is accepted. Heck, its not even a phenomenon which occurs with just humans (though the incidence does seem to increase as you progress up the brain-size ladder).

    If its easier for people to swallow the idea of Civil Unions, I’m all for it, but only as long as all of the same rights and privleges are entailed. Of course then there are only two differences between the marriage and civil unions: 1)the name 2)any religious connotations due to the lack of history
    I know this isnt acceptable to all people, but maybe its a start at compromise.

    Though I still think the underlying issue here is wheter gay people should be 2nd class citizens with different rules than those which apply to everyone else, or if they should be equals.

  11. Ben says:

    “He tells us very clearly in His Word that homosexuality is wrong along with a whole list of life-styles.”

    Prove it. Of course, to prevent the possibilty of a translator’s own personal feelings changing the scripture slightly, you should probably only use the original text (no translations).
    It may not be so “clearly” seen there.

  12. Ben says:

    Actually, I’m not sure one way or the other, having not thoughougly investigated myself.

  13. Ben says:

    It just strikes that if the “Because” defense is going to work, then a real look would have to be taken at the source.

  14. Ben says:

    Is this thread dead yet?? 😉

  15. Ben says:

    So what you are saying is that its not quite dead yet……
    🙂

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